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Friday, April 20, 2007



I find it amazing that you can buy guns but you can't buy weed, or even rolling papers unless it's at a dodgy garage or a tobacconist.
'average joe's having fun'? 'now we couldn't have people going round doing that could we?

Mike Doughty

True or not?

"AS FOR THE European disdain for our criminal culture, many of those countries should not spend too much time congratulating themselves. In 2000, the rate at which people were robbed or assaulted was higher in England, Scotland, Finland, Poland, Denmark and Sweden than it was in the United States. The assault rate in England was twice that in the United States. In the decade since England banned all private possession of handguns, the BBC reported that the number of gun crimes has gone up sharply.

Some of the worst examples of mass gun violence have also occurred in Europe. In recent years, 17 students and teachers were killed by a shooter in one incident at a German public school; 14 legislators were shot to death in Switzerland, and eight city council members were shot to death near Paris.

The main lesson that should emerge from the Virginia Tech killings is that we need to work harder to identify and cope with dangerously unstable personalities.

It is a problem for Europeans as well as Americans, one for which there are no easy solutions — such as passing more gun control laws."

It seems that most Europeans think that "the authorities" will protect them, while most Americans think they can do at least as well protecting themselves. It's about who has control; keep it yourself or give it to someone else. This is a basic difference in the cultures and has been since 1776. Perhaps the Europeans who think like this are all here in the US now?


Without a doubt if every gun in the world disappeared overnight the slaughter at VaTech could not have happened.

The gun control maniacs seem to think that banning guns removes them from society. The gun nuts want a machine gun in every car to be OK.

This debate ain't a debate, it's a pissing contest. What we need to ban is insanity, it's just as possible as banning guns.


Think the jury is still out on this one, Clive. And why did guns play a part there but not, say, in Australia or in the Yukon?


Not having guns is so morally superior.

Resistance is so futile.

Without gun you can sacrifice yourself to criminals who do have guns (legally or illegally.)

Or you can defend yourself as this member of the "Greatest Generation" recently did while balancing on her walker!


If you are honestly stunned at the restrained reaction in America to the VA Tech shooting I suggest you study more deeply contemporary politics & culture and history of the US before commenting further on this topic.

Also, If you want a true "grown up" discussion of the topic, you may wish to drop the sneeringly adolescent Euro-term "gun culture" to describe a civil liberty that Americans possess amd Euros do not.

YOU must grow up before there can be an adult discussion.


The term 'gun culture' was used as early as 1970 by the American historian Richard Hofstadter in his piece for the journal American Heritage, which was entitled 'America as a Gun Culture'. There is an article by Michael Lenz at where he briefly talks about it. Many authors agree that it can be a very misleading term because it is largely undefined and carries negative connotations.

Also, I agree with sonia that having guns should be balanced out with having weed.

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